Reevaluating the Two-State Solution: Historical and Geopolitical Challenges in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
Show Notes
Why has the Western world's persistent push for a two-state solution in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict continually fallen short of achieving peace? Our latest episode presents a critical examination of this enduring geopolitical issue, reflecting on the historical and religious weight of Israel as a Jewish state. We scrutinize the lack of mutual interest necessary for a genuine resolution and contrast Israel's inclusivity with the policies of neighboring Arab countries. By diving into the historical context from ancient times through the fall of the Ottoman Empire, we argue that without a mutually agreed-upon endpoint, any proposed solution lacks viability.
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00:00:02.865 --> 00:00:07.333 So here we are again, ladies and gentlemen, and once again the world is screaming at Israel.
00:00:07.333 --> 00:00:09.766 Israel must comply with the West.
00:00:09.766 --> 00:00:12.105 Yet again, the West knows best.
00:00:12.105 --> 00:00:24.650 The West, with its arrogance, says that once again it knows the solution to the problems in the Middle East, because if we make Israel do what the West wants, everything will be just fine Really.
00:00:24.650 --> 00:00:27.675 Do what the West wants, everything will be just fine, really.
00:00:27.675 --> 00:00:36.348 So if that would be the case as Stuart is typing away because I know he's looking up misinformation the last 60 years and 65 years then, has been a complete waste of time.
00:00:36.348 --> 00:00:40.243 If the West was really right, why are we still here?
00:00:40.243 --> 00:00:42.911 Why are we still not with a two-state solution?
00:00:42.911 --> 00:00:45.600 The answers will be very evident in this rant.
00:00:45.621 --> 00:00:47.828 Ladies and gentlemen, we welcome you back to the Rant Network.
00:00:47.828 --> 00:00:50.122 I am David Solomon, he is Stuart Briskell.
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00:01:25.019 --> 00:01:46.679 Ladies and gentlemen, let me just preface by this Once again, as Kamala Harris is campaigning with only a scant couple of weeks left before the election, she once again has and her and her administration has this cockeyed belief that the solution, the timing is right, joe Biden, the timing is right for a two-state solution.
00:01:46.679 --> 00:01:49.843 Biden, the timing is right for a two-state solution.
00:01:49.843 --> 00:01:58.506 This crooked idea, this misconceived idea, better, this ill-conceived idea, or Stuart is about to tell you, this rehashed idea just doesn't seem to work.
00:01:58.506 --> 00:01:59.870 Stuart, why not?
00:01:59.870 --> 00:02:00.652 Why isn't this working?
00:02:02.019 --> 00:02:13.628 Well, let's start with how I'm going to run this part of the rant, because David is, you know we're used to doing back and forth, pulling two minutes going, you know, picking on each other.
00:02:13.628 --> 00:02:27.691 But the key part of this rant is let's define a finish line, because we talk about Israel, we talk about the West, the US and ceasefires.
00:02:27.691 --> 00:02:33.989 Absent of everything is what is a defined finish line.
00:02:33.989 --> 00:02:40.646 Now, if you want to go and David, you're flipping with me, leave me alone.
00:02:40.646 --> 00:02:47.180 If you are focusing on getting the hostages back, what is the finish line?
00:02:47.180 --> 00:02:51.072 If you're focusing on the 1947.
00:02:51.072 --> 00:02:57.330 Treaty, which declared a two state solution, what was?
00:02:57.349 --> 00:02:58.072 the resolution.
00:03:01.883 --> 00:03:02.586 Resolution.
00:03:02.586 --> 00:03:09.760 Thank you for the correction, that Resolution.
00:03:09.760 --> 00:03:10.362 Thank you for the correction.
00:03:10.362 --> 00:03:10.884 What is the finish line?
00:03:10.884 --> 00:03:14.436 If you're talking about where this all began, the history of the Middle East, well, we go back.
00:03:14.436 --> 00:03:18.747 You know it was called the Middle East, it's called the Near East, it's called the cradle civilization.
00:03:18.747 --> 00:03:22.545 You know we can go back five, fifths, millennium BC.
00:03:22.545 --> 00:03:24.751 We can talk about all types.
00:03:24.751 --> 00:03:36.853 The one fact is the Judeo-Christian Bibles, historical records show Israel as being defined as a Jewish state.
00:03:36.853 --> 00:03:37.935 Period.
00:03:37.935 --> 00:03:44.927 Muslim empire never existed, never.
00:03:44.927 --> 00:03:51.723 Israel never existed in anything other than a dream of one of their prophets.
00:03:51.723 --> 00:03:55.954 But what is a finish line, even for them?
00:03:55.954 --> 00:04:09.574 I think, if you understand the term and you understand where we are and where we're trying to go, you need to focus on what is a finish line.
00:04:09.574 --> 00:04:13.722 In an election, it's who won, who lost.
00:04:13.722 --> 00:04:17.512 In a race, it's who came in first, second or third.
00:04:17.512 --> 00:04:26.233 If you're following gold, silver, bronze, olympic standards, if you're saying whoever made it over the finish line completed a task.
00:04:26.233 --> 00:04:30.187 So now let's take it one step even further back.
00:04:30.187 --> 00:04:31.630 We have finish line Now.
00:04:31.630 --> 00:04:32.392 We have a task.
00:04:32.392 --> 00:04:33.920 Now.
00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.646 The UN wants a two-state solution.
00:04:36.646 --> 00:04:51.130 You hear this from every Western world, but it's kind of funny to have a two-state solution, that people that are going to want or have to have the two-state solution have to want to have a two-state solution.
00:04:51.130 --> 00:05:16.386 Clearly it is factual that the Israelis teach love, care, compassion, inclusionism inclusionism where in a Jewish state there are over 2 million Arabs but there are near zero in Syria, iraq, iran, lebanon, right?
00:05:16.386 --> 00:05:17.728 So let's understand this.
00:05:17.728 --> 00:05:26.036 A two-state solution would define that both parties want to participate.
00:05:26.036 --> 00:05:32.692 What you don't have is a second party that wants to participate.
00:05:32.692 --> 00:05:47.434 Now David mentioned 1967 earlier, because after the Israelis crushed every Arab nation, then they want a two-state solution.
00:05:47.434 --> 00:05:52.663 But did they really want to get past that finish line?
00:05:52.663 --> 00:06:09.495 To get past that finish line is to accept the two-state solution you're asking, instead of trying to use a two-state solution as another stepping stone to annihilating Israel and the Jewish people off the global map.
00:06:10.778 --> 00:06:34.584 We've shown maps and you've seen maps of the Arab world, all the Arab world, all the enemies in this one little tiny speck that's left out of the Arab empire, not the Ottoman empire, because the Ottoman empire was actually reasonably good to the Jewish peoples and allowed them to live and practice reasonably uninterrupted for the most.
00:06:34.584 --> 00:06:37.053 I wasn't there.
00:06:37.053 --> 00:06:39.956 I didn't live there, I don't know how toxic it was.
00:06:39.956 --> 00:06:47.502 But there were Jews living in every single Arab-divided Ottoman Empire.
00:06:47.502 --> 00:06:54.031 Literally, there were Iraqi Jews, syrian Jews, lebanese Jews, iranian Jews.
00:06:54.031 --> 00:06:59.846 There were Jews living and settled in every major Arab world.
00:06:59.966 --> 00:07:29.740 When the Ottoman Empire ruled On its destruction and its dismantling, where the West decided to define borders, we came up with two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinian people who, by the way, are Jordanians by nature and them being Jordanians, they're not Israelis, they're not people of Israel, they're not the Bedouins of Israel.
00:07:29.740 --> 00:07:38.242 They're not the Bedouins of Israel, they're not the Druze of Israel, they're exiles of Jordan, syria and possibly some of Lebanon.
00:07:38.242 --> 00:07:55.733 So these are a group of people no different than the Cuban jails that were opened up in the 1980s were opened up in the 1980s.
00:07:55.733 --> 00:07:58.982 These are the unwants, the undesirables of these Ottoman former empires where kings and dictators didn't want.
00:07:58.982 --> 00:08:04.733 And this is where this finish line now comes to the next step.
00:08:04.733 --> 00:08:09.923 So we know there has to be tasks, we know there has to be an agreement, we know what the goal is.
00:08:17.589 --> 00:08:18.011 So free the hostages.
00:08:18.011 --> 00:08:18.531 What's the finish line?
00:08:18.531 --> 00:08:20.173 Get your hostages back and then continue and do it over again.
00:08:20.173 --> 00:08:21.454 Seems like a hamster in a wheel.
00:08:21.454 --> 00:08:34.932 David and we constantly become a hamster in a wheel, every time losing more and more life, more and more carnage, losing more and more life, more and more carnage.
00:08:34.932 --> 00:08:35.354 For what To achieve?
00:08:35.354 --> 00:08:35.533 What?
00:08:35.533 --> 00:08:36.195 To get to a finish line?
00:08:36.195 --> 00:08:42.812 But if the finish line doesn't have a line, you're never going to get anywhere and you'll remain a hamster in a wheel.
00:08:42.812 --> 00:09:04.539 So, before David jumps in, without the world accepting the finish line, without the world accepting the finish line and the only way to preserve the finish line is with the only democratic government in the Middle East You're never going to get there and the constant carnage will continue.
00:09:06.311 --> 00:09:08.533 Well, stuart, that was great.
00:09:08.533 --> 00:09:10.557 A few comments, though.
00:09:10.557 --> 00:09:19.291 One, many of the Arabs who moved into that area back in the turn of the century were nomads.
00:09:19.291 --> 00:09:22.905 If you look around at any of the maps, if you look to whatever, there were no maps.
00:09:22.905 --> 00:09:26.785 The Ottoman Empire is one big ground, big area, run by tribes.
00:09:26.785 --> 00:09:36.330 If you look at the House of Saud, if you look at the King Hussein's family and whatever, these were tribal, anointed as kings later on by the English and the French.
00:09:36.330 --> 00:09:39.543 But let's put it this way, they were nomadic.
00:09:39.543 --> 00:09:50.625 There was no permanent home and when the Jews established you know, as early as 1903, work opportunity, the word got around.
00:09:51.414 --> 00:10:03.476 Arabs from all over the place moved in and it's interesting because they became Palestinians, when the letter P, first of all, doesn't exist in the Arabic language, which is hilarious.
00:10:03.476 --> 00:10:06.595 Why would you call yourself something where it's not even the name's not right.
00:10:06.595 --> 00:10:20.427 It's a Roman name, but the territory was recalled Palestine by the British back in 19, after the world, after World War One, and the Arabs who were their steward were, you know, it was a concept of divide and conquer the British.
00:10:20.427 --> 00:10:21.937 The way they worked was divide and conquer.
00:10:21.937 --> 00:10:23.923 Now, jews and Arabs did get along.
00:10:23.923 --> 00:10:26.535 Was it perfect, as you said, the Ottoman Empire?
00:10:26.535 --> 00:10:27.376 Far from it.
00:10:27.376 --> 00:10:32.322 Jews were still second-class citizens because the Muslims believed in what they believed in.
00:10:32.322 --> 00:10:42.644 Okay, now Jews have been in on the land what we call Israel today, since they were expelled in the Roman Empire.
00:10:43.575 --> 00:10:45.001 There's always been a Jewish presence.
00:10:45.001 --> 00:10:50.748 There's an archaeological presence there for centuries, thousands of years.
00:10:50.748 --> 00:10:53.624 You could go back as recently, even during this war.
00:10:53.624 --> 00:11:01.806 International archaeologists are digging and finding proof, further proof, of a Jewish existence predating Jesus Christ.
00:11:01.806 --> 00:11:12.744 What has happened in the last 77 years, stuart, was that the United Nations gave up on Israel.
00:11:12.744 --> 00:11:14.917 Britain gave up on this land and said okay, let's divide it Two-thirds, one-third, two was that the United Nations gave up on Israel.
00:11:14.917 --> 00:11:18.669 Britain gave up on this land and said okay, let's divide it Two-thirds, one-third, two-thirds of the land.
00:11:18.669 --> 00:11:21.264 The better land went to the Palestinians or the Arabs.
00:11:21.264 --> 00:11:22.291 They weren't even called Palestinians.
00:11:22.291 --> 00:11:22.975 They were the Arabs.
00:11:22.975 --> 00:11:26.744 And if you look at the UN Charter, it doesn't call them Palestinians.
00:11:26.744 --> 00:11:27.225 They call it.
00:11:27.225 --> 00:11:30.716 They call them Arabs and Jews.
00:11:30.736 --> 00:11:45.167 After 1948, after five Arab countries invaded Syria, lebanon, iraq, jordan and Egypt, after they were attacked, Israel survived.
00:11:45.167 --> 00:11:48.283 Imagine being caught with five countries attacking you.
00:11:48.283 --> 00:12:00.020 The West was very much on the sidelines post-World War II, not willing to fight for it, and Israel won, but what we call today the West Bank and Gaza.
00:12:00.020 --> 00:12:04.850 West Bank went to Jordan, gaza went to Egypt.
00:12:04.850 --> 00:12:08.682 There was no call for a Palestinian state.
00:12:08.682 --> 00:12:10.506 That's the irony.
00:12:10.506 --> 00:12:15.995 From 1948 to 1967, the concept of a Palestinian state did exist.
00:12:15.995 --> 00:12:23.288 Now, yes, the PLO was founded in 1964 and the Soviets helped to create it to create more anarchy with the United States and the West.
00:12:23.288 --> 00:12:35.946 But the reality was the concept of a Palestinian state was non-existent Until Israel absolutely annihilated three countries Stuart said all the Arab countries, three countries essentially.
00:12:35.946 --> 00:12:43.900 It was Egypt, jordan and Syria who attacked Because Israel smashed these armies in six days.
00:12:44.581 --> 00:12:54.379 The Khartoum conference that had proceeded afterwards brought in all the Arab and Muslim countries and instead of sitting down and talking peace, they did the three no's, stuart.
00:12:54.379 --> 00:12:57.421 We will not recognize Israel, we will not do treaties with Israel.
00:12:57.421 --> 00:12:58.660 We want peace with Israel.
00:12:58.660 --> 00:13:09.350 They passed that resolution while the United Nations passed Resolution 242 demanding that Israel return back to the 1947 borders to create an Arab state.
00:13:09.350 --> 00:13:15.051 Where was this from 1948 to 1967?
00:13:15.051 --> 00:13:18.395 Not there.
00:13:18.416 --> 00:13:32.941 Since 1967, the world has been talking again and again and again, has promoted, has created the Palestinian Liberation Organization with Yasser Arafat, much like we took Che Guevara and Fidel Castro and created these mythical ideas that they are freedom fighters.
00:13:32.941 --> 00:13:34.886 They're terrorists.
00:13:34.886 --> 00:13:37.562 They were terrorists, abusive.
00:13:37.562 --> 00:13:41.322 Fast forward to today, while they're celebrating.
00:13:41.322 --> 00:13:46.539 You know the life of Yahya Sinwar, the butcher, the butcher.
00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:49.307 He was called the butcher, because he butchered Palestinians, not Jews.
00:13:49.307 --> 00:13:51.360 He butchered his own people.
00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:58.080 The West continues to be disillusioned by Israel and enamored by the idea of a two-state solution.
00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:02.609 Stuart, to me the two-state solution is impossible.
00:14:02.609 --> 00:14:10.879 You don't have a willing party and the West keeps wanting and demanding Israel to concede to whomever's at the other side of the table.
00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:17.902 Now, guys, if you're in business or if you've negotiated with people, okay, you ask yourself.
00:14:18.176 --> 00:14:21.142 I need to have a finish, I need to get somewhere.
00:14:21.142 --> 00:14:23.282 I need to do this with someone.
00:14:23.282 --> 00:14:29.581 I need to do this with someone who's willing to collaborate, but there's nobody collaborating on the other side.
00:14:29.581 --> 00:14:31.280 Yai Sinwar, by the way.
00:14:31.280 --> 00:14:34.144 His finish line was to finish off Israel.
00:14:34.144 --> 00:14:37.264 He said it time and time again.
00:14:37.264 --> 00:14:39.601 Hamas said it time and time again.
00:14:39.601 --> 00:14:41.501 Hezbollah said it time and time again.
00:14:41.501 --> 00:14:42.821 Iran has said it time and time again.
00:14:42.821 --> 00:14:47.942 But instead of the West putting the pressure on them, the West puts the pressure on Israel.
00:14:47.942 --> 00:14:53.717 Stuart, the problem with your idea of where the finish line is it keeps moving.
00:14:53.717 --> 00:14:56.485 For them it doesn't move.
00:14:56.815 --> 00:15:04.647 Jews have wanted peace since day one, but the problem is that the Arabs want not all the Arabs.
00:15:04.647 --> 00:15:06.421 We've seen what happened with Egypt.
00:15:06.421 --> 00:15:07.664 We saw it with Jordan.
00:15:07.664 --> 00:15:09.159 We've seen it with the UAE.
00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:10.224 We've seen it with the Abraham Accords.
00:15:10.224 --> 00:15:14.306 There's a willingness to live in a coexistence with Israel.
00:15:14.306 --> 00:15:17.325 It may not be best friends, but there's a coexistence.
00:15:17.325 --> 00:15:26.085 But that's non-existent when you're terrorist run, when you brainwash people, when you brainwash children, when you keep.
00:15:26.085 --> 00:15:31.412 The United Nations have kept Palestinians in relief camps since 1948.
00:15:31.412 --> 00:15:38.839 Since 1948.
00:15:38.839 --> 00:15:42.048 And yet, and yet, they're the only people, by the way, the only population that was never resettled.
00:15:42.048 --> 00:15:44.414 In history, they're the only population that were forcibly kept in camps.
00:15:44.414 --> 00:15:52.856 So you ask yourself if Israel wants coexistence, let's call it, and you don't have a willing second party.
00:15:52.856 --> 00:15:59.729 And the world is playing in the background like Jim Henson and the Muppets, like marionettes pulling strings in different directions.
00:15:59.729 --> 00:16:02.100 Stuart, with this I end.
00:16:02.100 --> 00:16:10.529 How in God's name can we have coexistence in the Middle East if the agendas are different and the finish lines keep moving?
00:16:10.529 --> 00:16:12.033 Last word to you, by the way.
00:16:13.336 --> 00:16:20.066 David, like I started this rant, it's about a finish line and its definition.
00:16:20.066 --> 00:16:21.227 Thank you guys.
00:16:21.227 --> 00:16:22.450 David, wrap it up.
00:16:23.916 --> 00:16:27.104 On that note, ladies and gentlemen, once again we wish you all well.
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